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Kennedy's Disease Chat Transcript 03-18-2006
Topic: Mentally and Emotionally Coping with KD
Host: Bruce Gaughran
Bruce: Start Chat - The Topic Today is: Mentally and Emotionally Coping with KD
TerryW: I am just in time
Bruce: Barb, you need to wait until we receive instructions.
Ron--PA: Hi Terry.
Barb: OK Thanks.
Bruce: Again, WELCOME to everyone.
Murf: Morning Terry
TerryW: I did not know if I would make it to chat today
TerryW: things worked out
Bruce: Whether effected with KD or a spouse or family member, everyone has to change their lifestyle once symptoms begin to control their lives. I thought it would be good to discuss how we all cope with these changes.
Murf: No problem - I'm usually always here
TerryW: been busy trying to clean up after the storm
Murf: What did you get?
Ron--PA: Mentally we have to cope with KD. Emotionally it is a roller coaster ride. What do you guys think!
kellyC_: I moved again and was lifting boxe's etc.. gosh my legs and arms were sore i couldnt walk for a day then depression set in! knowing that in the future ill be using a cane then walker, possibly wheelchair kinda made me sad.
TerryW: Large amount of snow for this altitude in Calif 18 inches
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craig_h: well Bruce, my best game plan is a since of humor
Bruce: I also know that it is often easier to cope the older you become and is very difficult when first diagnosed.
TerryW: broke a lot of oak trees
Murf: Where is Calif ? In CANADA? LOL
TerryW: Talking to people and not holding in the frustrations is a good way to cope
Bruce: Definitely a sense of humor is needed.
Murf: You got it Bruce!
Bruce: Right, having someone to share your thoughts and feelings is also important.
Barb: We have been up and down. My husband has had several broken bones. Two broken hips in the last ten years. In the past year he broke his shoulder, wrist and damaged a hip again. Now he seems to be healing well and has been walking with a cane again.
billeric: I think we all have bouts of depression after we find we can't do one more thing. I think it is really important to know this is going to happen but don't let the depression hang on too long.
TerryW: Lack of self worth from not being able to do the things around the house is a probem
kellyC_: gosh.. i guess i know what to expect in the future with KD.!!
craig_h: yes Terry, I try to make sure that people at work have at least a small idea what I'm going thru. They have been great about keeping an eye out for me. When I'm having a bad day, there is always someone that "just happens" to walk out with me
Bruce: That is another aspect of KD that I have also experienced, Barb. The problems when an injury occurs.
PA-PAUL entered the room.
Bruce: Morning, Paul
Murf: I have broken my foot 4 times in one year. Our muscles do not hold the bones together like they used too,
PA-PAUL: almost gave up
Murf: Morning Paul
Ron--PA: Alot of guys can't accept the fact that they need a cane. A cane is't to help you wald but, to keep you from falling down.
kellyC_: yea ron for sure yup.
Murf: We also don't heal as fast anymore.
Bruce: I used the term "Coming out of the closet" recently for someone who was afraid to tell his girlfriend and employer about his KD.
Murf: Or waddle
Barb: We saw the neurologist last week; he said this was the first time he had ever seen John walk. And said he seemed a little stronger than a year ago.
Ron--PA: Hi Paul--have a bad time getting onto the chat?
PA-PAUL: ye i can relate to waddler
Bruce: I think it is important that we can talk about it openly and without embarassment, but in the beginning it is something we try to hide ... out of embarrassment, shame, concern, fear, etc.
billeric: It is hard to accept that we are handicapped but I think this is a needed step
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PA-PAUL: YES after 3 tries i almost said the heck with it and gave one more try and got lucky
Murf: You can't hide KD for long
Gary_KS: Good morning, all.
kellyC_: no thats for sure murf
Barb: I don't see how you can hide it at all.
Murf: What was happening Paul?
Gopher: Also it is difficult to talk about something you don't know about
kellyC_: pple can see it on our faces,, with the muscle twitches and fascilations etc
PA-PAUL: it just kept saying my account was not active
Bruce: I remember making excuses to others about an injury or back pain or anything other than the truth, because I didn't want others to know and possibly think less of me. That was a mistake.
Murf: I was thinking about camo for my wheelchair
TerryW: I met a Pastor from a nearby church last night at a neighbors place for dinner. He asked me where I worked and I told him I do not because of KD and I explained to him what was happening, He said that he would never have known by looking
Ron--PA: I think sometimes we don't letm people know about KD is because of insurace.
TerryW: we look normal just have worn out batteries
kellyC_: lol yupper terry aint that the truth
craig_h: one of the biggest problems is everyone wants me to go on long walks, or work out with them. They can't comprehend that someone those things are worse for me
Barb: Is insurance a problem?
MICH: Murf, what is a camo??
Bruce: Right, Ron, insurance is an issue if self-employed, but shouldn't be an issue if working for a company. That is why we have insurance.
Murf: Bard - only if you need a medical to extend or add
PA-PAUL: Barb- I am not sure. I have been told not to change insurance carriers
TerryW: I did the same bruce, People just thought I had become Unsocialble
Murf: Camo paint or netting so no one knows
kellyC_: as for me when i was working in the mine's i kept to myself never had coffeee with the pit crew
Bruce: Craig, I miss my sports and especially hiking in the mountains. We used to do it all the time. That was hard on me and the family when I had to give it up for safety reasons.
Ron--PA: Hi Gary.
kellyC_: i was ashamed of my KD
craig_h: I agree Terry, people think I'm anti-social ...... but I'm scared to go to a restaurant or a movie theater
Bruce: I thing we all were at one time Kelly.
Gary_KS: Hi Ron.
Bruce: Coming out of the closet was difficult for me, but also was the best thing I ever did. People are wonderful and helpful once they know.
Bruce: Before that they thought I was unsociable also.
PA-PAUL: Yes anti social*** when you go to someone house and cant get off their tiolet, it happened.
Bruce: Or to a restaurant, Paul ...
billeric: One of worst fears Paul
MICH: Craig, Carmike Theatres here let a wheelchair and attendant in free...but my wife usually ends up paying a fortune for the coke and popcorn
Bruce: Having KD also means being a Boy Scout again ... BE PREPARED!
PA-PAUL: yes they are all supposed to be ADA but they are not All
Murf: Or fall out side a restuarant and can't get up cause you broke a foot
TerryW: When I meet people and I tell them I have Kennedy's Disease they look at me strange and assume I am a womanizer, drink and drive off of bridges LOL
TerryW: All kidding aside I hate the word Disease
Bruce: My van has so many items in it just in case I have to use a rest room that is not handicap accessible.
PA-PAUL: hey Mich where are you and the carmike theaters
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kellyC_: LOL here in canada pple say u have KD...Whats that? kraft dinner LOL
craig_h: True Terry, UVa first told me Kennedy Syndrome ...... I liked that better than Disease
Murf: Bruce - I agree we have to plan every trip out side the house!
Ron--PA: Most of us have that difficult time getting off a low toilet. If this happens to you, take your belt from your pants and put it on your waist. Makes it easy for help to lift you.
TerryW: People hear Disease and sometimes think they can catch it
Bruce: Good Idead, Ron
MICH: PA- paul I'm in Utah
Murf: Good one Kelly
PA-PAUL: and they have Carmike there
Bruce: Our spouses also have to be mentally and emotionally prepared. They have to anticipate all the things that could happen.
kellyC_: ty murf LOL
craig_h: When the doctors told me I had Kennedy's ............ I said "Doc, how did I get something from a liberal?" ........... that was the last reaction he expected
Bruce: Sometimes they are the reasonableness in the equation ... asking whether that can be done or whether I am over-doing it, etc.
billeric: Thats a good idea Ron. I have mulled that situation over in my head lots of times.
craig_h: low toilets and low chair in doctor offices should be banned !!!!
MICH: Yes, Carmike is in Utah
Dart!: That is a good option - 'Syndrome'! And for a fact, embarrassment is what I have a problem with, being seen as something that I was not!
craig_h: wow, this is the most active I've seen this chat !!
Bruce: The other thing I learned was that people generally want to help, but need to be educated on what to do to help.
PA-PAUL: Mich I too have the carmike theaters here.
TerryW: It's a good Topic
TerryW: many of us need an outlet
Bruce: Being explicit about your needs and potential concerns is a great first step in helping others to understand.
Dart!: Has not someone invented a circle cushion that could be carried in a pocket, then inflated when the occasion merits?
Murf: I agree Bruce we have to help ourselves. God has not taken our brains yet!
PA-PAUL: good idea Dart
Bruce: Dart, I am not aware of that device, but they have an up-lift seat that is extremely useful.
TerryW: I went to see a therapist for the first and only time a month ago and she told me what I already knew but I was in fear of letting it out.
TerryW: I already knew what I need to do and I am doing it now
Murf: Keep going Terry - I see one once a week. It works
Ron--PA: I think tht needing help by someone other than a caregiver, is the most imbarassing moments to deal with. Especially in a restroom situation.
MICH: I would assume that Carmike in Utah had some of their multiplex theatres that had hadicapped seatting to close to the screen, but if I check which of the theatre inside has the seating not just in front of the screen it works out... but maybe they didn't goof and have to settle in other states??
PA-PAUL: terry I have been seeing them many different ones for about 6 years and they dont help i should say they did not help me
TerryW: I am not to that point yet Ron
Bruce: I know that all of us feel down at times or feel sorry for ourselves. That is only natural. But, all I need to do is look at someone who is in much worse shape (cancer, heart disease, etc.) and realize how fortunate I am.
TerryW: Paul I think the same for me. I already knew what she told me but was afraid to face it
craig_h: I feel lucky that I have a laptop at work and the company lets me work from home on those really bad days
TerryW: but I was hurting myself more by holding it all in
Murf: TJ just called and he can't login he tried tree times and re-registered once. Terry he will contact you.
kellyC_: I dont mind talking about Kd to pple here saskatoon sk. it helps me cope alot better
Bruce: Sports use to be an outlet for me. I could exercise or place a game of something, work up a sweat and feel all the stress drain away during the game or practice. Learning to get rid of the emotions and stress without exercise was something more difficult, but still something needed.
PA-PAUL: yes Terry that is the good side to Talk about it with someone who dosen't mind hearing
kellyC_: within myself
Ron--PA: If you can't talk to a therapist you can always talk to a much higher power!!!!!!
Murf: It does help to talk
Bruce: Also, it helps to know that we are not alone. There are many others with KD that are there for us if needed.
TerryW: Murf tell TJ to go into his IE security settings and set the level to low and then try
kellyC_: alot of early diagnosed KD guys are in denial example my male cousins etc
Murf: Thats not it this time
PA-PAUL: Murf I know i had the correct info (i have it written down) but it still said not authorized
Bruce: Kelly, I think we were all there at one time.
kellyC_: yeah.... i guess yup
Murf: Could be the same problem as Paul today
Ron--PA: Nice to hearing so much sharing of ideas and tips from you all today.
TerryW: I was not in denial, I just held back to the KD community my feeling of what was really happening to me because I felt that I had to be strong for them
Bruce: I wrote a short story several years ago about a person finding out he has KD and the steps he had to go through to gain acceptance. It was fiction, but based quite a bit on my acceptance path.
Dart!: Is it common to experience muscle-wasting with KD?
MICH: One step at a time is always my motto...even when I find myself on the floor trying to go out the front door and need to push up on several different chairs to finally get up... finally getting out the door is a rush.
TerryW: Yes dart
kellyC_: yes it is dart
craig_h: actually when I was told it was Kennedy's .. I was just happy it wasn't Lou Gehrig's
TerryW: good point craig
Bruce: The muscles and motor neurons are slowly dieing.
PA-PAUL: I guess the bad thing when talking about it (KD) is when you finnaly get someone to understand then see the fustration / pity on their face Boy it gets me down fast
Ron--PA: Bruce--you should share your story with us some time.
Bruce: Paul, people feel sorry for you when they don't understand. Once they understand, things change and they begin to accept you as you are ... mentally strong, but physically handicapped.
craig_h: it's the same with anything. You start telling someone about Kennedy's, and you can tell by their eyes. They can't wait to tell you about someone they know worse off.
Bruce: It was mentioned earlier that you need someone that you can really share your thoughts and emotions with ... someone that you can occasionally dump on. That is healthy.
Murf: The greatest scientific mind in our time is in a wheel chair and he can't talk either
kellyC_: Dart,, KD;s progression rate is all differant for us men. of all ages group's, some are weaker than others .walking lifting etc!.. it dont matter how old we are
PA-PAUL: when I can "think about others worse off" then I can accept and be glad its not worse But only then.
Bruce: Sometimes it helps to tell the person that you are going to dump on them and that you don't really need anything, but an ear to listen.
PA-PAUL: who is that murf
Dart!: Asto progression, Kelly, to quote Dr. Phil - "What is -- IS!
Murf: I can't remember his name but he uses an electronic voice thing
craig_h: William Shatner uses an electronic voice thing ??
Ron--PA: Terry, I was glad you finally got to to talk with someone. You ALWAYS are the strong one. Sometimes we all need to talk with someone.
Murf: Glasses and a grin os all you see
Bruce: I read a book a few years ago, "Learning to Fall" by Phillip Simmons. Phil has ALS and his book is one of inspiration, because he doesn't dwell on what he couldn't do, but rather what he could do.
Murf: Not that one Craig LOL
Bruce: I wrote Phil and email afterwards and he responded back. It was great to see someone living with ALS that appears to understand that he still had a purpose in life.
PA-PAUL: Bruce I think most of us know that and agree with that BUT too often forget
PA-PAUL: i will look for his book
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Bruce: I know it is hard on my wife also. I often believe it is harder on her than on me.
MICH: I think there's a lesson to be learned from Christopher Reeves and his wife as they had a short life but full life
Ron--PA: If you don't do anything else today----Thank your care giver.. Give them a big hug.
Bruce: Right on, Eric
PA-PAUL: who is eric
billeric: good point Ron. Without care givers we are in deeep do-do
Bruce: The other thing that I consider important is to look for ways to stay active and mobile.
MICH: Sorry for the confusion ... MICH is Eric
Dart!: Someone in this group spoke of the name of that scientist who is confined to a wheelchair - he is a genius who has studied the 'black holes' in spacee. Smart, but I don't know what good that will do mankind.
Dart!: True, Bruce -it IS harder on those who live with us - they are so concerned that we can take a fall.
Bruce: Continue to stimulate the mind as well as the muscles and most importantly, stimulate the sense of humor.
Murf: Dart - Thats the guy!!
billeric: Well said Bruce
Bruce: John Coakley has one of the best at making me laugh by expressing his experiences.
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Bruce: Sean, welcome
Murf: My point was that we can still think and we only have physical limitations
Ron--PA: Hi Sean.
SEAN_IRWIN is currently away.
SEAN_IRWIN: hey guys
Murf: I miss the Coakley corner
PA-PAUL: one last comment Maybe that would be a good guest for the oct conference a psycologist who deals with MD or ALS people
Murf: Morning Sean
Bruce: Good thought, Paul
SEAN_IRWIN: i finally broke free on a saturday this is my first chat you guys might have to help me out
Murf: Got someone in mind?
craig_h: doctor phil?
Bruce: I have a couple of really dumb, but funny movies that I will put on when I feel a little down. Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstien. I still laugh even thought I can repeat most of the lines by heart.
Murf: Just say whats on your mind Sean. We're very open here
Ron--PA: Isn't it amazing that no matter who writes a short story, we can all relate to the circumstances that affect us in the sme way. Sometimes very funny, other times really sad.
MICH: Sean, how are things in Knoxsville and how long have you had KD?
craig_h: Bruce .... let's not sit around the campfire with beans !
Bruce: Sean, the topic is Mentally and Emotionally Copying With KD. We started at 10:30 EST today and it has been a good subject.
PA-PAUL: Welcome Sean
Bruce: Right Craig!!!!
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TerryW: Sorry everyone, I need to run, I mean waddle. talk with you all next time
Bruce: My point is that do something that makes you laugh. It releases so much stress that it is healthy for you.
Ron--PA: The short story I was refering to was about Kennedys Disease.
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billeric: By Terry
Murf: Take care Gary & Terry
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Ron--PA: So long Terry. Stay healthy till next we chat.
Bruce: Welcome back Gary, did you get kicked out?
Murf: Hey Gary again LOL
PA-PAUL: wife and i went to see the movie "failure to launch" really was a good laugh
SEAN_IRWIN: thanks, i am very interested to know some of the other side effects you guys have with the disease and compare my symptons. thanks for the warm welcome . i have had kennedys disease since 7/05.
Gary_KS: The server connection was down for me. LOL
craig_h: Bruce, when I get down I listen to music from my younger years. Allman Brothers, Marshall Tucker, Skynyrd ..... it takes me back to happier more mobile times
Murf: How old are you?
Bruce: Sean, we are all of different ages here, but have one thing in common ... KD
PA-PAUL: Im 60
SEAN_IRWIN: i am 40 years old
kellyC_: am 43
Bruce: Ron and I are the ancient ones here
Murf: Do you have facial twitches yet?
Bruce: Oops .. make that Bill being the winner of the prize
Murf: I had for years then they kind of went away
kellyC_: neck spasm's yet sean?
billeric: Hurray- at last I won something!
Murf: I've been in and out of a wheelchair for about 3 years
Dart!: To quote George Burns - 'You are just damned kids!"
SEAN_IRWIN: i have them in my face legs and arms also my speech is affected at times
kellyC_: yes same here sean same sytoms yup
Bruce: Sean, there are many symptoms that are common, but also some that are unique to the individual.
SEAN_IRWIN: yes i have neck spasm's also
Bruce: Some come and some go, some stay forever
kellyC_: i have nasel voice now at times when tired
PA-PAUL: it seems odd but guys who began symptoms early seem to have more vocal effects
Bruce: Fortunatey, the several muscle cramps went away for me. Now that was painful.
kellyC_: my tongue is wasted pretty good now
SEAN_IRWIN: do you guys wake up in the middle of the night with leg cramps
kellyC_: yes always have leg muscle spasms at nite ongoing
Murf: The best thing about a KDA conference is the 10 guys that are all talking througgh their nose!
MICH: PA-Paul I'll turn 60 this summer!
PA-PAUL: its great mich
Bruce: The muscle cramps were something happening in the 30'sand 40'sfor me. They went away in the 50's.
Murf: Happy Birthday Mich
SEAN_IRWIN: that sounds encouraging
Bruce: NASAL sounds are common among us...
kellyC_: yah bruce i heard that to from another kd'er yup
Murf: We know what your going through brother
Bruce: And, we are here for you
Bruce: Our conference this year is in Atlanta, consider joining us.
SEAN_IRWIN: today is my wifes birthday (Cheri) i am having a surprise party for her tonight at "bone fish grill"
Murf: Oct 11-14th
Bruce: Bone Fish is one of my favorite eating spots.
craig_h: sean, back in september I went thru 3 weeks I could barely stand. Been gradually improving actually. Past two weeks I've actually been able to get out of floor with out aid of the couch.
Dart!: Could the cramping be parrtly from a lack of calcium / magnesium?
billeric: I can notice a lot more people asking me to repeat something I said. I know I am not speaking as clear as I once did
Ron--PA: Sharing is Caring!! Talk about your situation.
SEAN_IRWIN: lobster tails with the warm butter "the bomb"
Murf: Me too Eric
craig_h: past 2 weeks am actually walking better than before September
Bruce: One thing about us KD'rs. We still love to eat!
Bruce: Great Craig
Murf: Craig - did you loose wieght?
craig_h: man I wish I lost ..... am trying
PA-PAUL: for me its ( eating) is all I enjoy
kellyC_: Well all of my kd friends got to go you all take care till next chat bye all..
Murf: I feel better when I loose a pound or two
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Bruce: There is five minutes left in the official chat.
SEAN_IRWIN: guys i have had so many illnesses in the past 20 years it is overwhelming. in the spring of 1983 i had brain surgery done to install a shunt. in the fall of 2002 i had stage
craig_h: when I first was diagnosed, I lost 100 pounds. I felt wonderful. I didn't really have any walking troubles. Now, majority is back and I am a mess
Bruce: Weight is always an issue for muscles
craig_h: so the weight has to go !!!
PA-PAUL: yes I am over 300 lbs
PA-PAUL: self defeating too
SEAN_IRWIN: four cancer. i got down to 100 pounds and was in intensive care for 1 week. i am a cancer survivor on top of everything else
billeric: Does anyone know if they have selected the drug trial participants?
Murf: I wish we could just cut it off!
Bruce: I try to maintain my weight and when I go up 5%, I immediately cut back until I am back to fighting weight once again
craig_h: I was about 290, got to about 180 ..... on the Nutri/System diet
Bruce: No, we are still waiting the final word on the trials
Ron--PA: Sean--sounds like you are a survivor--Way to go.
SEAN_IRWIN: i am very interested in knowing more about the trial
billeric: Thanks Bruce
MICH: My doctor said I might lose muscle if I lose too much fat... so its a no win situation?
Dart!: You have my vote as well, Sean!
Bruce: Go to our web site and read the NEWS section on the right. It has all the information.
PA-PAUL: kinda stupid you know you must loose but cant deal with giving away the last thing i enjoy
Murf: Saen - e-mail John Coakley. he's on the BOD
SEAN_IRWIN: do you have his email address
Bruce: TWO MINUTES ... I repeat ... TWO MINUTES
craig_h: Bruce, thanks for today's topic ...... very lively chat today
PA-PAUL: thanks all
Murf: good chat today
Bruce: I enjoyed it also. It was fun and thanks for joining me
PA-PAUL: catch you all later
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billeric: Got to go guys. Great chat. Bye
Bruce: If you want to stay on line afterwards, you are welcome to. Some of us have a BOD meeting to attend.
Murf: Take care Paul
SEAN_IRWIN: my first chat was great talk to you guys later.
Ron--PA: Stay healthy all. Must go for now. Bye.
craig_h: until next time !!
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Bruce: Sean, if you have any personal questions, please drop us a line at the KDA email address.
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Bruce: Be safe everyone
Bruce: END CHATEND CHAT